Bill Meltzer: Flyers Gameday: 2/26/22 vs. WSH; Phantoms @ CLE; Alyn McCauley

Frost scratched. Seems about right. Why let the kid play and continue to get acclimated to the NHL game?

Frost scratched while Mayhew and Ratcliffe stay in the lineup. While I have tended to disagree with many moves this season I agree with this move. Frost just isn't a difference maker in any way shape or form. He has basically been invisible most games with the exception of when he loses a puck battle that leads to an opposition goal. Gotta put the big boy pants on and earn a spot! That's life in the big leagues. Thanks!

Frost scratched while Mayhew and Ratcliffe stay in the lineup. While I have tended to disagree with many moves this season I agree with this move. Frost just isn't a difference maker in any way shape or form. He has basically been invisible most games with the exception of when he loses a puck battle that leads to an opposition goal. Gotta put the big boy pants on and earn a spot! That's life in the big leagues. Thanks!
- Phillywhiteout

I disagree with it. Were it my call, JVR would sit a couple games.

I disagree with it. Were it my call, JVR would sit a couple games.
- bmeltzer

Flyers have never liked to sit high salary...unless they really really really have to.

I disagree with it. Were it my call, JVR would sit a couple games.
- bmeltzer

I just don't think he's shown enough to be honest. Mayhew and Ratcliffe have made more of their opportunities than Frost has IMO. He has to be more competitive although playing Brassard over him can certainly be argued. Totally agree about JVR though. He should have been scratched awhile ago. Talk about someone just collecting a paycheck and going through the motions.

Flyers have never liked to sit high salary...unless they really really really have to.
- Glak18

Of course not….JVR provides that veteran presence that Yandle provides EVERY night.

Frost scratched. Seems about right. Why let the kid play and continue to get acclimated to the NHL game?
- mikeyo27

The Flyers are the gold standard of player development.

I just don't think he's shown enough to be honest. Mayhew and Ratcliffe have made more of their opportunities than Frost has IMO. He has to be more competitive although playing Brassard over him can certainly be argued. Totally agree about JVR though. He should have been scratched awhile ago. Talk about someone just collecting a paycheck and going through the motions.
- Phillywhiteout

Who should the Flyers invest in for their future? Frost of JVR. Frost or Willman? Frost or Mayhew?

I was ready for the Flyers to move on from the Hakstol/Hextall era…..I’ve already seen enough of Fletcher/Yeo. Sad. It would be nice to get some competence and stability back in this organization.

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"I was ready for the Flyers to move on from the Hakstol/Hextall era…..I’ve already seen enough of Fletcher/Yeo. Sad. It would be nice to get some competence and stability back in this organization. "

Rule #1- do not draft or sign UFA's o trade for damaged goods, or players with familial medical history issues that have recurred at any point during a players career.

Bobby Clarke having diabetes 50 years ago is not comparable.

The petry rumors coupled with risto extension rumors is really tough to swallow. Don’t know how much longer I can give a poop about them

I disagree with it. Were it my call, JVR would sit a couple games.
-Bill Meltzer

Bill, its not a good idea for Frost to watch a few games from the press box and get a different perspective? Spend some the time reviewing video, maybe practicing a bit more and doing some side sessions with coaches. This wouldn't be an effective way to further develop?

The petry rumors coupled with risto extension rumors is really tough to swallow. Don’t know how much longer I can give a poop about them
- Just5

Think about it for a moment. Yandle is gone thankfully after this season. Risto and Braun are both gone most likely at the deadline. The Flyers are looking forward to next season. Petry might make some sense except his contract has 3 more years at $6.25M and unless Montreal is willing to cover 50% of it, I don't see any team taking on the player. If however Montreal was willing to cover this amount of salary, Petry would make a nice addition to the Flyers defense, a nice RHS defenseman with 4 straight 40+ point seasons.

Bill, its not a good idea for Frost to watch a few games from the press box and get a different perspective? Spend some the time reviewing video, maybe practicing a bit more and doing some side sessions with coaches. This wouldn't be an effective way to further develop?
- jd250

Obviously I’m not Bill nor anywhere near as knowledgeable. I’d give that some credence if their history with Frost were different. They seem to yank him back and forth between NHL and AHL, move him all over the lineup from game to game, and keep giving playing time and opportunities to players who are either not playing better (JVR) or are not in future plans (Brown) just as a couple examples. Frost has talent and has shown flashes. In a lost season it just seems prudent to provide consistent opportunities and evaluate his progress from there. See how he performs over 5-6, maybe 10 games on PP1, or centering a particular line, or a particular role. It just seems they are jerking him around and back and forth. If the Flyers were pushing for a playoff spot, sure no need to experiment and evaluate. Right now, what can watching from the press box do that simple video review can’t? Anyway, just seems like a silly thing to do, sitting him instead of Brown, Wilman, even JVR.

At this point, IMO, management should always be choosing youth when it comes to lineup decisions. We certainly know the ceilings of our older players and the ones going through the motions. While we all want to see more from Frost, the kid did miss all of last year. Hard to overcome that at any level, especially the NHL.
Perfect opportunity for the higher ups to get a good snapshot of what we have, and what we’re going to need going forward. Throwing out these retreads game after game, makes no sense to me. Management is not showing they are the ones to handle this retool, rebuild, clean out or whatever they want to call it.

Bill, its not a good idea for Frost to watch a few games from the press box and get a different perspective? Spend some the time reviewing video, maybe practicing a bit more and doing some side sessions with coaches. This wouldn't be an effective way to further develop?
- jd250

Lets look at this with some common sense. Can Frost play in the game today AND spend some time reviewing video? Practice a bit more and doing some side sessions with coaches while also playing today? Can he get a different perspective from a video of the game or can that different perspective only be achieved by being in the press box? In that case he can watch a video of the game after playing in it while sitting in the press box.

Who should the Flyers invest in for their future? Frost of JVR. Frost or Willman? Frost or Mayhew?
- MJL

That's easy....Frost. But he still has to look like a viable NHL player. Good players make other players they play with better. Frost hasn't elevated his play enough when he's been given a chance. I'll ask you a question. Who has played better? Mayhew, Ratcliffe and or Frost? I'm very concerned about Frost's ability. He's very weak on the puck, and doesn't seem to have the acceleration and speed to beat anybody one on one in that way. Mayhew and Ratcliffe have earned spots. JVR and Brassard? Not so much.

Think about it for a moment. Yandle is gone thankfully after this season. Risto and Braun are both gone most likely at the deadline. The Flyers are looking forward to next season. Petry might make some sense except his contract has 3 more years at $6.25M and unless Montreal is willing to cover 50% of it, I don't see any team taking on the player. If however Montreal was willing to cover this amount of salary, Petry would make a nice addition to the Flyers defense, a nice RHS defenseman with 4 straight 40+ point seasons.
- jd250

Think about it for a moment. What are the Flyers giving up to trade for Petry? Montreal is a team with cap issues. If they're retaining salary, that increases the cost for the Flyers. You've only addressed half of the situation.

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Lets look at this with some common sense. Can Frost play in the game today AND spend some time reviewing video? Practice a bit more and doing some side sessions with coaches while also playing today? Can he get a different perspective from a video of the game or can that different perspective only be achieved by being in the press box? In that case he can watch a video of the game after playing in it while sitting in the press box.
-MJL

But lets also consider what the Flyers are doing right now. They are trying to sell as many veteran players as they can at the deadline, and right now is prime scouting season. The Flyers need to play their vets up to the deadline to try to create a market and get something back for them. Frost and York are going to play for the Flyers this season for sure after the deadline along with a lot of other young players like Allison, Ratcliffe and Laczynski most likely. They will all develop and hopefully be contributing to a much better team next season.

That's easy....Frost. But he still has to look like a viable NHL player. Good players make other players they play with better. Frost hasn't elevated his play enough when he's been given a chance. I'll ask you a question. Who has played better? Mayhew, Ratcliffe and or Frost? I'm very concerned about Frost's ability. He's very weak on the puck, and doesn't seem to have the acceleration and speed to beat anybody one on one in that way. Mayhew and Ratcliffe have earned spots. JVR and Brassard? Not so much.
- Phillywhiteout

If your expectation is that Frost, who is basically an NHL rookie should make other players he plays with better at this point in his career. That expectation is not reasonable. It doesn't matter who has played better. Not in the least. You have a talented player who was a first round pick who missed an entire year of hockey. Frost needs to be better in a lot of areas but the Flyers need to make an investment in the player and put him in the best position to succeed. With the season lost, the Flyers have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Playing players like JVR, Mayhew, and Willman ahead of Frost is malfeasance.

I disagree with it. Were it my call, JVR would sit a couple games.
- bmeltzer

It seems all can see the issue with how they handle personnel but them, are they really that arrogant and feel like they don't need to change?

Flyers have never liked to sit high salary...unless they really really really have to.
- Glak18

Fans are too. I remember a time when Voracek was playing awful. I wanted him benched and no one here was having any of it.

But lets also consider what the Flyers are doing right now. They are trying to sell as many veteran players as they can at the deadline, and right now is prime scouting season. The Flyers need to play their vets up to the deadline to try to create a market and get something back for them. Frost and York are going to play for the Flyers this season for sure after the deadline along with a lot of other young players like Allison, Ratcliffe and Laczynski most likely. They will all develop and hopefully be contributing to a much better team next season.
- jd250

The Flyers can play every veteran they need to play and play Frost at the same time.